I just used this guide to fully EV train my Eevee that I plan to evolve into an Umbreon. From what I understand, continuing to level it up to 100 by battling random Pokemon in the wild won't mess with its EVs then, correct?
Thank you so much for this! The concept of IVs and EVs used to be so foreign to me up until just recently, I heard the terms used a lot but I never knew what they meant. But I just bred my first shiny 5 IV Pokemon earlier today, so I decided to learn how to EV train it! Thanks to this I actually understood what I needed to do and now I have a shiny EV trained 5 IV Noibat that I'm working on leveling up and evolving into a Noivern! :D Thanks again for putting this up, it really helped me out a lot!
Sir I just want to ask something about the use of exp share. If i will ev train my aegislash with pokerus and power lens for sp atk using the psyduck horde which gives instant 50 ev and i have a kadabra at the back of my party with exp share on and the kadabra has no items and no pokerus, will kadabra get 50 ev for sp atk or not?
Great guide. I just thought of a few tips I'd like to share on the issue:
1. Save party space my making your Sweet Scent user also your "horde killer".
Why make these two separate roles? Most Grass types that can learn Sweet Scent can learn Razor Leaf, a field-hitting move. A high level Pokemon should be able to oneshot just about any horde with Razor Leaf (95% accuracy means it might miss one of the Pokemon sometimes. Use a different, singly-targeting move to clean it up if this happens, for reasons I'll explain below.)
A few friends of mine use Tropius. Tropius cann learn Sweet Scent, Razor Leaf, AND Fly, which makes it a great utility Pokemon for horde training.
Personally, I use an Ursaring with Earthquake and Rock Slide, both teachable by TM. Rock Slide takes out Flying hordes, Earthquake takes out everything else. Ursaring can learn Sweet Scent and a decently leveled one (you only need around 50-60) should be able to oneshot all hordes.
2: Keeping track of Hordes KO'd with PP.
Use your "horde killer"'s PP to keep track of how many hordes you've KO'd, and you'll be less likely to lose count. If you can KO all 5 with one move, 1 PP used = 50 EVs (with Power Item and Pokerus). So if you're going for 252 EVs, stop fighting hordes when you've used 5 PP. Then, you can either KO 1 more Pokemon, or you can do one Super Training regimen to get the last 2 EVs. Personally I prefer the Super Training, it's usually quicker.
This is why, if say Razor Leaf or Rock Slide misses something, you use a different move to finish off the one you missed. That way your main move doesn't use up an extra PP and throw your count off.
If you're going for a 252/252/4 spread, get the last 4 by doing one medium rank ST. (since it ST won't consider you "fully trained" until you actually have 510 EVs in total. The last 2 will always be wasted but you might as well get them. Basically, you need 6.) Shouldn't take too long.
Here's the hordes I use, personally. A few are the same as yours, but there are some I find more reliable.
HP: I don't think anyone here's mentioned this one: I actually use Foongus in Winding Roods (Route 20). Only 2 hordes can show up there, Foongus or Trevenant, and Foongus tends to be slightly more common. With Gulpin, there are 2 other hordes that could show up instead of it. Foongus tends to be a bit more consistant for me. Once you've finished EV training, Trevenant hordes provide pretty decent Exp too.
Attack: Due to rain, I have 2 locations. Bellsprout on Route 14, and Weepinbell/Arbok (give 2) on Route 19. Both these locations can rain though, but there isn't a problem unless it rains on both at the same time. In which case... Axew in Connecting cave tends to be the best you can do. (I almost always have Whismur and Zubat show up way more though.)
Defence: Terminus Cave for Durant and Geodude. Remember Durant gives 2, so if you're going for a complex EV spread you'll need to be more careful. Nosepass really isn't a good idea because it can rain on that route, other hordes can show up and it has Sturdy.
Special Attack: Vanilite and Smoochim in Frost Cavern, like this guide says.
Special Defence: Like a few others here, I use Mime Jr in Reflecting Cave. Overall MUCH more reliable that Hoppip. In fact I don't think I've ever had a single Hoppip horde show up on Route 7.
Speed: Wingull/Tailow on Route 8. Unfortunately it can rain here, and there aren't very many good backup areas if it does. If you're playing Y, you can try Yanma and Electrike on Route 10. (Or on X, just Yanma) But from my experience, when it rains on Route 8, it'll rain soon on Route 10. If that happens... I guess try Zubats in Connecting Cave.
I hope i'm not getting in trouble for necroing this thread... but I LOVE this guide on it, but there is still the one thing I need to know/help on, and you should add it too Wheegalure, is what if you don't have that Pokerus/don't have time to get it (time to trade around)/don't want to have it all. How many hoards do you do then?
And one more thing your should add is to use Ursaring for hoarding, its Gen 4 EV Training Master, as I always called it, back in Diamond I used it for its Sweet Scent and Hammer Arm and other moves like Rockslide and Earthquake, now its a MEGA EV Master, cause Rockslide and Earthquake can hit the whole hoard!
I'm also wondering on one thing, (please note, this is now 2015 and the last time I played or even did what little I did of this was back in Diamond and gave up/took a long vacation on the games since then till these past few months, so it have been like 8+ years lol) is what if you hoard train past 252? say you miscounted and did like 260+? Does it mess you up or does it just stops at 252?
Im going to work on making me a Eelectross and I was told to make it like this:
Eelektross @ Leftovers EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD Modest Nature - Acid Spray - Thunderbolt - Flamethrower - Grass Knot Hidden Power
But im going to take out Grass Knot for Hidden Power cause I don't like Grass Knot. I'm told that its Hidden Power would be Ice and that would cover a much more types.
Hi, I've follow the steps in your guide but in the the super training part it doesn't say I have a fully trained pokemon and the 2 stats I was training don't touch the very edge of the spectrum, I don't know what I've done wrong, any ideas?
Do your Pokemon have Pokerus? If not, then it will take twice as many hordes to reach the maximum EVs.
Are your Pokemon holding the correct Power items? Each stat has a different corresponding item. You have to remember to switch them over when training a different stat, otherwise you won't get the full effect of each horde.